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IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: crazy like a fox » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:20 pm

On both sides of the aisle there are supporters for the TPA Trade Promotion Authority (Fast track) and the TPP Trans Pacific Partnership that has Americans confused. Especially given the dysfunction of our current political logjam it is curious to see unlikely bedfellows so cozy and comfortable on this trade issue and worse to have conservatives secretly applauding of all people, Nancy Pelosi.

The TPP or trade deal has Australia, Brunei, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Chili, Peru, Vietnam, Malaysia, Japan, Singapore, New Zealand and the United States in a trade partnership but is it a good deal or a negative deal for Americans? We don't know and that's the biggest problem.

There seems to be four realities to global trade deals, one, is that all parties invariable cheat or ignore the terms of the deal. Two, America is always left in a trade deficit in which much more foreign product is imported and less American product is sold in foreign markets usually thru currency manipulation. Three, there is never any effective or realistic arbiter to enforce that all parties stick to the deal. Last but not least corporations and K Street benefit far more than America's main street. Why? Because our market is political corrupt and not a free market anymore.

The problem with this latest deal is that the President has been pushing for TPA or Trade Promotion Authority. In essence if TPA were passed it would give the President the ability to present to Congress a trade bill like TPP and ask for a straight up or down vote while not allowing for amendments or changes by our legislative process.

Congress would be ceding its power to amend, re-write and fix trade deals by handing its power to the executive branch. It would give the President the ability to broker bad deals and then affront Congress with the, hard place and a rock choice, of dammed if you do dammed if your don't, by passing a bad deal or seeing China step in and take our place.

This Trans Pacific Partnership deal has been euphemized as "Obamatrade" because America's level of government distrust is at an all time high given the amount disingenuousness emanating from the White House. Furthering the suspicions of the American people is the hushed secrecy of the deal coupled with a President and Congress that has failed to explain the terms of this trade alliance to the American people.

It therefore appears to be just as onerous a treaty, as Obamacare was as a Bill, where an expansive law was passed before anyone read the provisions, especially the ones in the ACA that ceding legislative authority to the bureaucracy of the Health and Human Services Secretary to make up and write regulations as wanted or needed. If this trade deal is so important, and ensures American products are treated fairly in these countries markets, why the secrecy?

Free trade is a fact of life today and unless and until there is wide scale global recession or depression (not outside the realm of potential) like it or not American products must compete on the world stage. Being against this treaty or any trade agreement is not about being an economic protectionists or an isolationists but rather a realist.
We know that in past free trade agreements some countries purposefully make American imports so economically unviable that soon there develops a big deficit in which a country's imports to our nation's consumers far exceeds our exports to their consumers. We complain, but do little to alter a growing deficit. It therefore is imperative to have a strong rules and an equally strong referee to ensure fairness in trade.

However, the imports and exports of products is only one aspect of trade agreements and some say even a phony issue, since free markets always contain ebbs and flows depending on consumer demand. The truth is that there is never a real parity ratio between trading partners within the normal free market of ups and downs or supply and demand, termed differently in trade as imports and exports or expanding trade markets and deficits.

What real Americans worry about is job loss. That worry is not unfounded because corporate America has been just as underhanded and untrustworthy as the current Administration. The fact that corporate lobbyists are pushing hard for TPP raises suspicions with the American people. They also pushed hard for comprehensive immigration reform claiming America's education system was not providing qualified workers. Leaving people to wonder why they continued to donate to liberals that have ruined our education system.

America's corporate taxes and regulations are at an all time high under the micro management of progressive socialists that have strangled our once free enterprise marketplace, and worsened our current crony capital mixed market by continuing to move it into a state controlled market or (communism).

Yet, how have the corporations responded to increased federal control? Have they lobbied to return us to a free enterprise marketplace? Have they supported free enterprise candidates to Congress? Have they campaigned against social progressive candidates? Have they refused to participate with Obama agenda? Have they lobbied Congress to decrease regulations so they could hire more American workers? Or have they participated and even furthered government involvement to benefit themselves in a selfish oligarchy scheme?

We know that the big health insurers not only backed Obamacare they wrote the legislation. Why? To reduce the completion and rake in more profits. The reason social progressive have become the party of big business is that they understand it is easier to control a few major players than to corral thousands of independent business owners.

Corporate America and K Street are in bed with both political parties for their own profit interest, period. If they can open up new plants in Vietnam or Chile and take advantage of low wages and low benefits while reaping greater profits, does anyone think they won't take advantage?

Democrats are fond of fooling their voters by saying they are the party of the people, the little people, not big business like oil companies, but is anyone buying that lie today? It is plain and obvious that both parties are in the deep pockets of corporate and K street donations.

Both political parties are fooling Americans when they claim to be pro business when in fact, they just want to continue to line their own pockets with wealth and a cash cow to tap for funds from an outrageously growing world of political campaign spending.

If the GOP in Congress were to get back to their real party platform, of being pro free marketers rather than corporate shills, they will need to support not just lowered corporate tax rates but fair regulations for large and small business, fair and free market trade competition both home and abroad. They should be considering serious slashing of federal agencies along with auditing the fed and returning America to a wealth rather than debt based economy.

If Americans believed that our government was on the road to restoring our free markets and once again becoming an asset based economic power, ridding us of the handicaps place on us by social progressive micro regulatory rules, then we would confidently be in support of any and all global trade deals. America has never been afraid of competition. Get off our backs and bring it on! Americans will do just fine.
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Re: IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: Ron_Adcox » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:57 pm

Foxy let her big ole brain out again! She can explain things so that even I can understand! Thank you, Foxy!
When Injustice becomes law, Rebellion becomes duty! ObamaCare & IranNukeDeal are examples of Injustice becoming law!! Traditional Americans must resist by any means necessary, fair or foul.
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Re: IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: hoodoo » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:46 pm

The current federal government is bloated, overbearing, dishonest, and run by a socialist cabal that no American trusts. When we finally flush out the bums, clean up our capitol, and elect real conservatives to take on the repairs........... THEN America will stand tall again both here and abroad and the world will be safer and happier. As you have said "America has never been afraid of competition. Get off our backs and bring it on! Americans will do just fine."

Thank you Claudia. This is a very fine treatise. :drinks
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Re: IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: Terry Franks » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:51 am

While I agree with Claudia -- I think the idea of "Fair Trade" is still warranted
Granted, Fair Markets are what is needed but can one exist without the other ??
Fair Markets cannot be orchestrated so other Countries operate at the same level.
Indeed, just a change of Government could see a Total change in comparative equality.

However, -- are we missing the real point. ??
Is there another Agenda ??
Firstly = A "supposed" flat playing field without tariffs etc does NOT an equal situation make.
Look at the partner countries in this arrangement.
"Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States and Vietnam."
The USA and especially Australia are quite clearly out gunned in terms of Wage structure which means they cannot possibly compete on domestically made products.
This means that imports will flood into the country at prices that local company's can't compete with which means -; Unemployment rises, Businesses go broke and the social fabric of US is further fractured.
The only choice open (other than destruction) is for businesses to retool & redesign product bases into areas that so called "Trade Partners" cannot match OR that do not have "Intellectual Property" in such areas.
Which brings me to the Second point.
Is the TPP really about Global diversification of Assets, Manufacturing Capacity, Corporate Litigation of Governments via TPP legislation ??
Given the amount of secrecy and "Miss-Information" that abounds, one must not dismiss such an agenda out of hand.
The Third Point to consider is -; WHY are there such a raft of FTA's being drafted since 1992. ??
This from the Australian Government Trade Department -;
"These parties support expanding TPP membership to other economies in the Asia-Pacific region.
– Prospective new members must demonstrate a commitment to achieving an ambitious, comprehensive outcome in the TPP.
– Decisions on TPP membership are taken by a consensus of the existing parties
"We are confident that this agreement will be a model for ambition for other free trade agreements in the future, forging close linkages among our economies, enhancing our competitiveness, benefitting our consumers and supporting the creation and retention of jobs, higher living standards, and the reduction of poverty in our countries"
"Cumulation refers to the ability to build a product in the TPP region.
• It has the potential to facilitate global supply chains within TPP parties
– For example: Australian beef could be sent to Singapore,
combined with beef from Canada, seasoning from Peru and
processed in Singapore with the finished hamburger patty then
being exported under preferential rates to TPP
parties - something that could not be done under a bilateral FTA.
"Australia is considering the inclusion of Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) provisions in free trade agreements on a case-by case basis."
"The TPP is aiming to reduce restrictions that discriminate against Australian services exporters.
– Such as limiting the number of suppliers permitted or requiring foreign entities to establish local representative offices."
"Reduce the barriers Australian exporters of financial services face, such as foreign equity caps and limits on financial service licences."

"The above will be addressed by all Governments BUT the Issue of "Domestic Jobs" will be highly agitated.
Consider the ramifications of this -;
"Australia is seeking commitments to enable short-term business
visitors, intra-corporate transferees, certain independent executives
and contractual service suppliers to enter and stay temporarily in TPP Parties."

"In short = this means -; "Fly - in -- Fly - Out" workers who will be paid a "Cheaper Wage" than Domestic Workers doing the same job. The RESULT for the US + Australia will be HIGHER Unemployment PLUS all the Social, Tax, and Cultural fragmentation that comes with it. Please do NOT dismiss this point.
We in Australia are already experiencing this in the Mining Industry under 457 Visas.

The Fourth Point -- and the most destructive of all is -;
FTA's and the associated structures are NOT about Economic Prosperity.
They ARE about the -; UNITED NATIONS WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION to control the Global Trade under a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT Organization.
Two years ago I stated this was -; "Conspiracy Theory" nut job tin foil hat stuff.
Now I "KNOW" Differently.
Consider -;
"Under WTO rules FTAs must:

eliminate tariffs and other restrictions on 'substantially all the trade' in goods between its member countries, and
eliminate substantially all discrimination against service suppliers from member countries (helping to increase trade in services).

"Look further than "Obamacare" = because that may just be the tip of the iceberg.
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Re: IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: crazy like a fox » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:37 pm

Thanks Fred Ron and Terry

To Terry,

You point out the interesting quandary; why is it necessary to have a trade agreement with developed countries like USA, Japan, Canada and Australia aligned with underdeveloped nations such as Vietnam? What does Vietnam bring to the table? Middle class consumers? NO. Cheap labor? Yes. Future consumers? Possibly. Ways for Corporations to get around environmental, occupational and other labor regulations and make bigger profits? Bingo!

So a widget currently made in the U.S. and sold both domestically and thru out the world for $10, will now be made in Vietnam, sold to US as an import for $10. Same widget, same consumer price but the cost of manufacturing that product plunges for the corporation making them huge profit margins. Along with other protections and financial goodies such as limited liability and low insurance costs that are factored into these trade agreements.

I won't reiterate the other points in your statement because it speaks for itself the truth about "one world Government" because we already see this as a reality in the banking industry, and the reason Congress gives us as to why we can't go back to small banking models. Banks are huge, corporations are huge and they are feeding on the independence of nations and their economies.

When the average American thinks of free trade they they think, we make a widget, it is a good widget and some of the world buys our widgets. We make it in the US under our regulations of quality and control and the American corporation gets healthier, richer and opens a new plant to make more widgets to meet the worlds demand, which means more American jobs. At least that the way it should work.

The truth is Free Trade Agreements are an opportunity for corporations to escape high cost domestic labor, regulations, taxes and liabilities by selling their widgets to Americans as imports as they open new plants in places like Vietnam while our jobs never return. Meanwhile more and more trade and economic disputes are settled by international trade, bankers and billionaires that have no allegiance to any nation but their own vested interest.

The fear is that sooner rather than later that turns into a international lobbyist cartel that destroys our sovereignty and constitution. Then we all work for the corporation in a global socialist consortium.

This political ,economic and vital global trade, issue is a left, right and independent issue in which there should be common skepticism and wariness form liberals and conservatives alike about what could happen to our freedom as an individual independent nation!

Thanks for pointing that out Terry!
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Re: IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: Terry Franks » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:06 pm

"BUILDING OUR FUTURE PROSPERITY- CONFERENCE & LUNCH
John Howard OM AC, Former Prime Minister of Australia; Bob Zoellick, Former US Trade Representative & World Bank President; US Ambassador John Berry; Michael Thawley AO, Secretary of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet; Mark Vaile AO, Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia
The Next Chapter in Australia-US Relations: Building Our Future Prosperity."
See = http://www.amcham.com.au/vpLink.aspx?ID ... &STATE=NSW

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AmCham Australia retweeted
Niels Marquardt ‏@CEO_AmChamAU Jun 18
As US Congress finds a way to pass #TPA & support #TPP,David Brooks explains why free trade is critical @nytopinion http://nyti.ms/1CcSFhu

"Just incase the above link does NOT Open
See = http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opini ... inion&_r=0

"twitter is ablaze with this issue.

Also there is a quote -;
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Niels Marquardt ‏@CEO_AmChamAU 16h16 hours ago
Big Senate vote today on trade. AmChams from the region are lobbying hard against opposition like this.

Which is about this -;
"Say NO to TPP
Because
TRADE
Should NOT Cost Lives"
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PostAuthor: crazy like a fox » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:36 pm

Well well well, Senators making money off Free Trade deals.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102784965
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PostAuthor: Terry Franks » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:58 pm

"From Twitter = GLOBAL TRADE WATCH.
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RED FLAG WARNING! #ISDS corporate tribunals are in the secret #TPP.
Read the @wikileaks: http://bit.ly/WikileakTPP2015 pic.twitter.com/5gnCozWreV
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PostAuthor: Terry Franks » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:16 pm

ATTENTION = You may want to check the TPP and other FTA's

"Unions will launch a campaign against a clause in the China-Australia free-trade agreement which would remove requirements for Chinese electricians to undergo a skills assessment before being approved for a 457 work visa.

Electrical Trades Union national secretary Allen Hicks said the move was “reckless, dangerous, and will lead to lives being lost’’.

The side agreement was reached a fortnight ago by Trade Minister Andrew Robb and revealed among documents released by the Department of Foreign Affairs late last week.

The correspondence to Chinese Minister for Commerce Gao Hucheng outlines an agreement to “streamline relevant skills assessment processes for temporary skilled labour visas” by removing the requirement for mandatory skills assessments for certain occupations, including electricians.

Mr Hicks said it also stated that the aim was to reduce, or eliminate, within the next five years the requirement for Chinese workers in other occupations to undergo skills assessments before receiving temporary work visas. Mr Robb said the move brought China into line “with countless other countries, including the US, countries in the EU, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand and so on
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The repercussions of this for US jobs (& indeed any Western Country) could be staggering.
Add the Social Fabric distortion to this issue and the future looks very bleak indeed for the next generation who cannot possibly compete in such an atmosphere.
So much for "Prosperity".
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Re: IT'S FAIR MARKETS NOT FAIR TRADE

PostAuthor: crazy like a fox » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:06 pm

Thought I would add this recent story about the plans of the Chamber of Commerce and how newly elected DAVID BRAT (replacing Eric Cantor) in the House, understands the difference between being pro-business interests versus being pro-free markets. Read the Examiner article below;

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-rep.-dave-brat-u.s.-chamber-wants-to-override-the-people/article/2570552

In my article It's Fair Markets Not Fair Trade I said
"Both political parties are fooling Americans when they claim to be pro business when in fact, they just want to continue to line their own pockets with wealth and a cash cow to tap for funds from an outrageously growing world of political campaign spending.
If the GOP in Congress were to get back to their real party platform, of being pro free marketers rather than corporate shills, they will need to support not just lowered corporate tax rates but fair regulations for large and small business, fair and free market trade competition both home and abroad. They should be considering serious slashing of federal agencies along with auditing the fed and returning America to a wealth rather than debt based economy."


In the article from the Washington Examiner David Brat says
"For the chamber to act like they're going to override the will of the people and my own conscience, I just don't understand that," he said. "I wish they'd broaden their sights to the true issues that relate to being pro-business and not to [being pro] insider business."

He also reveals that in the 2016 election, the Chamber of Commerce has two goals
Brat said two of the biggest goals for the chamber are reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank and legalizing undocumented immigrants.


Brat is the type of Representative that is trying to fight the good fight against the oligarchy monster that constantly seeks to make Congress its puppet.
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